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[Br. Andrew]

Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) IS NOT PART OF A TRIUNE DIVINITY

The Bible of today states

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."

Most Christians believe that: “The three persons are co-equal and co-eternal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent”. (The Catholic encyclopedia)


Facts about the trinity

1. This text does not appear in the most ancient Greek manuscripts.

2. It has been omitted from Revised Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, New English Bible, Phillips Modern English Bible.

3.he Scholars of Christianity say this verse was interpolated into the text around late 4th century.

Dr. C.I. Schofield and 32 other Scholars backed assisted by a committee of representatives of fifty co-operative denominations came to the conclusion about this verse “It is generally agreed that this verse has no manuscript authority and has been inserted”

The peakes commentary of the Bible reads:

"The famous interpolation after "three witnesses" is not printed even in RSV, and rightly. It cites the heavenly testimony of the Father, the logos, and the Holy Spirit, but is never used in the early Trinitarian controversies. No respectable Greek MS contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th-cent. Latin text, it entered the Vulgate and finally the NT of Erasmus."

The historian Edward Gibbon coined it as a "Pious Fraud" in his famous history book `Decline and Fall of Roman Empire'.

G-d says very clearly in the Holy Qur’an

O people of the Scripture, do not go to extremes in your religion and don’t say anything about G-d but the truth. Indeed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary is a Messenger of G-d And His word given to Mary and a spirit from His. So believe in Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) and His Messenger and don’t say three Desist this will be better for you Verily Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) is one G-d

Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) is sufficient as Defender. (Qur’an 4:171)

The Qur’an also says

They do blaspheme who say: "Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O children of Israel! Worship Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. 5:72.


They surely disbelieve who say : Lo! Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) is the third of three ; when there is no G-d save the One G-d . If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.

A word of warning does not go without a word of salvation. The Holy Prophet said in one Hadith: "If anyone testifies that none has the
right to be worshipped but Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Servant and His Messenger, and that Jesus is Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى )'s Servant and His Messenger and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allaah ( اللّهُ تعالى ) will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few. Such a person can enter Paradise through any of its eight gates he likes.'(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, No. 644.)

Q: is there anywhere in the Bible that says you have to believe in the trinity? Did Jesus teach trinity, will you still be saved if you believed in One G-d as Jesus said and as the Qur'aan says?
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[Br. Andrew]

quoting shas on a ery good point:"Assalmualaikum,

there was a debate going on this subjet and a lady stood up during q&a and said:

When a man can be a son, a doctor and a father why not trinity then???

the answer was:

a son, a doctor and a father

If i tell a secret to the son, then both the father and the spirit should know it automatically...if i tell either 1 the other 2 always know it....

If all 3 are 1...Father, son and spirit....then whateva the father told the spirit, the son shud know without the spirit going to the son and passing the message...

there is one verse of the Bible in which Jesus says:

I dont know, only the father knows (i dnt knw if i got it exactly)...how can that be possible if all 3 are 1??

Shudnt Jesus also know what the Father knows?

Or if the son is hungry, then the spirit and the father shud also be hungry....


Or if the son is crusified, then the spirit and the father shud also be crusified....ever heard of G-d being crusified?

Or if the son dies, then the spirit and the father shud also die....ever heard of G-d dying?

And so on....
the thing is if somethign happens to one and if all 3 ARE 1...then all 3 should be effected...."
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[Br. Andrew]

The Athanasian Creed reads as follows: " . . . But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one: the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal . . . But the whole three Persons are co-eternal together: and co-equal." Reproduced in Percy White, The Doctrine of The Trinity: Analytically Examined and Refuted, (London: "The Dawn" Book Supply, 1937), pp. 49, 50.
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[Br. Andrew]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one

three what? Gods ? personalities? three what - good question to ask ?
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